Hey "Professor" Clio, I wonder how Hormone1971 (a fellow RvB member) feels about your decision to wardec The Marmite Collective in "search of good fights" (doublespeak for "Mynnna's orders").

Hint: look him up on the killboard.

Also, if someone pays the 500M/week to wardec Goons, they get Red and Blue for free as war target, as soon as they reinforce a POCO.

Does anyone have secrets to sell to Gevlon? He needs more nasty surprises and is willing to pay through the nose.

it seems to be hurting your ego that he managed to look through your scam attempt.

Wow...apparently for a CSM you do have... limited knowledge about EVE.

Yes, if someone would represent the playerbase of a computergame it isn't required for said representative to know basic game mechanics.

It would help though, especially if said representative goes arround calling others retards because they have a different idea on game mechanics. Call me crazy

Slight correction to your otherwise brilliant post, we destroyed an undestroyable poco and gave some other wardeccers the chance to shoot at blinged out nullbears in hisec for 10% of the usual fee.
Not even mentioning the purple blob that romps arround instead of doing pvp, good times!

We've been over this, you don't agree but sane people do.

If you want to attack someone on his knowledge of game mechanics you better not be a nubcake when it comes to gamemechanics.

I also bet you don't remember 'your side' (quotes because your side doesn't even like you ) claiming pocos would never be destroyed and when they dropped the ball on that started some bullshit about how the people who destroyed it were scared... or something (lol). Again, it doesn't take a lot of smarts to see right through that little fantasy.

Same with your cringe worthy attempts at personnal attacks, they don't stick because they have no basis whatsoever.
Keep it up though, I'm loving every minute of it.

Edit: I'll correct you some more:
Goons didn't need to ally in that war
The corp joined goons, so goons got all the 50mil wardecs from said corp for free making themselves cheap targets. Game mechanics magic and stuff.

It's a bit funny when CSM think they are smart to try and circumvent game mechanics and have it blow up in their face

Indeed but a CSM shouldn't try to circumvent game mechanics either. It is unworthy of the office he holds and only damages it unnecessarily.

50m was EXACTLY the amount it cost to wardec the corp. Once the corp joined goons THE WAR TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE GOONS and not a single extra isk was paid for it.

Worked just fine. When the ebil Gwens tried to use witchcraft to hide the pretty POCO away in fear of the Usman, he got the whole GSF.

'obscure' high sec war dec feature : High sec wardec mechanics are hardly obscure and I'm not CSM. What makes me so special is that I'm not joining your little pitchfork-wielding bandwagon party attacking someone who swims against the stream.

I'm not sure what's funnier, the post or the comments. Still, thank you Gevlon. I haven't laughed so hard in days.

Imagine if Gevlon had access to our PAP statistics. The sheer beauty of the graphs and charts he would create would be breathtaking.

Didn't actually see this first time around. Nothing was circumvented, feel free to petition it if you think otherwise.

It's STILL a bit funny when CSM think they are smart to try and circumvent game mechanics and have it blow up in their face

And it was sooo unexpected we wardecced the corp before the poco was even placed

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We will hit you where it hurts most. We all have our weak spots. Yours are the alliance size, side projects and the trust you need for a coalition. Are you sure you can trust your current blues ? I would check two of them asap Might be to late already.

why should it cost a small corp to wardec goons anyway, the mechanic is just bullshit... but yea those nullsec puppies need that...

it would not cost them **** to wardec me, but it would cost me a shitload to wardec them... it does not make sense at all...

Look, I'll try and explain the crazy maths; If RVB kills one of my ships (haha, I know VERY unlikely) and that ship cost me 200 million at that point RVB has hurt Marmites for.... 200 Million
You know why? Because I'm a Marmite member.

And still I've got bucketloads of tears from nullbears proving me right and you wrong

Ok, if you insist... There is this one (very tenacious)

Please explain to me how a corp isn't a sum of it's members and hurting the members of a corp doesn't hurt the corp itself, thanks.

GåôGåôGåô All trolling aside, if you give 10 million to RVB, it helps the entire group of people that is RVB. Thanks for proving my point.

This thread delivers almost daily...

I love uneducated people trying to prove stuff with limited understanding of statistics.

Protip #1: Anyone using Excel for that purpose is to be laughed at and publicly shamed.

Offtopic: I once donated 10mil ISK to RvB. Please make a fancy chart explaining how every single RvB kill is now my doing.

Don't know how null alliances handle finances, but I think they don't live on hisec POCOs (which you still haven't destroyed, btw). You know they lived here before the POCO thing, right?

Damn, that makes sense. I wonder why gevlon hasn't made a chart of it yet. Well, I guess you guys are doomed. Can I have your sov?

Can't help noticing irony isn't your fort+¬.

Wait... as a member of the biggest coalition in eve ever, hiding behind RVB at every opportunity you are calling others out on their bravery?
That's just... wrong

This, however, is funny: http://i.imgur.com/WeieyEn.png

You allmost look frustrated, little peon? Want to talk about your feelings?

You would be just amazed by how much money empire pocos next to jita make.

Hint more zeros than your finger could count.

* We will keep killing all CFC alliances and pets, as we have been doing lately. Much more then we lose and its fun too.
* As long as RvB has this deal with Goonies, we will keep giving them reasons to stay purple and at war with us. Even if we have to go after their indy alt corps.
* Goonies will keep giving us tears if they like it or not.
* You all will be dressing up, every time again. And when you don't, we will pop the poco's.
* Powers will keep sending pings.
* I will keep feeding you 'intel', so you have no clue which 'intel' could be real and have to act on all of it.
* Lemmings will keep growing bigger and bigger (next step 400).
* TEST rocks and will hopefully join the party soon.
* Blues wont be blues for ever.
* Goonies lovers will keep defending their masters on the forums.
* Most wont see where this is going.
* I will be posting more lines.
* Ok I lied, this was the last line.

<3

Ps. And when you think this is annoying, I haven't even started yet

Only this SOTA wasn't interrupted by constant POCO reinforcement mails

True story: Most of us were dual logged on our lemmings/marmite alts, laughing in mumble about all the hurfblurf grr goons chatter.

I think about 70% of the fleet was doing that, while the rest talked about sci-fi.

And I am not impressed about your nul bear Goonies defence fleets. You might think you make any impact here in high sec, but it just doesn't work that way here. You will still lose ships, more and more. Currently 12B more losses for you guys after 1 month or so. Am not going to explain how things work any further. Its tempting, but you have to find out yourself. And thanks for all the replies confirming my state of the Lemons.

Oh, and mister Goblin isn't paying us nor lemmings to like him, rather to kill your ships which seems to be working out just fine (according to our standards, not yours, I know)

He fascinates me and I don't really dislike anyone I play (computer)games with, mister Goblin has quite the passion for the game I've been playing for years and I respect him for that. Does that answer your question Lucas?

Hate filled posts huh, believe me they are not intended to come across as hate-filled, in fact quite the contrary.
As for Wow in space, I don't see that in his posts, what makes you conclude that?

I get it, it's like Weaselior said, if you guys have bad stats they don't matter, but if a small fraction of said stats could be interpreted as your friends/pets/busines partners/hisec guardians kinda did something good, than they suddenly matter because... well BECAUSE

NIce grammar you have there

inb4 edit

Hey Pete,

I know you and I don't really see eye to eye but would you please provide me with a quote for the statements underlined?
^^ Not trolling, serious question, thanks upfront.

If anyone answers your question, will you call him/her stupid again?
Since we've been through that bit already, I'll bite;

I believe Gevlon started something that irks the goons and I believe there is sufficient proof for that;
- goon infiltration attempts
- hundreds of "we don't care posts" everywhere
- RVB getting involved anytime goons can't fend for themselves (always)
- goon directors taking their time to drop a poco once it's destroyed
- billions worth of kills on CFC by 'hisec publords' is bad propaganda for goons
etc....

If I read Gevlon's posts in their context, like you would read a post from the mittani than yes, at the very least they make sense.

If you however choose to distort your view untill it fits some twisted fantasy about gevlon being the next Stalin or something, than it gets weird pretty fast.

D.



Inb4 your mad rant on how stupid I am for posting.

True. On the other hand, if said treaty wouldn't exist, goons would have lost quite a lot of pocos by now which leads to believe the treaty isn't beneficial to RVB as much as it is to goons.

Last quote: Realistically though, do you think your goal is achievable?
I think there is a small chance it can be achieved but it will take quite a while and depends on funds, morale and numbers so all little victories count. Remember: we are taking on the CFC.
Everybody likes the underdog ]

I'll try and give an example. If you were part of an entity under siege by a big powerblock and the leader of said powerbloc had this to say;

such that we can maintain our newfound superiority over our enemies.
you will see the tears flow and hear a chorus of screams of the like we have not seen
by stabbing "your entity" in their heart over and over and over again until they stop moving.
We will trap them in their staging system and crush the life out of them. We will repel any attempts to spring them from their cowardGÇÖs prison, because they deserve this fate. Nothing will live, nothing will escape.

Given the context, would you not doubt this powerbloc's leader's sanity a little bit? He's your enemie and makes such a bloodthirsty rant afterall.

I might take that at face value, except that (a) normal people don't play EVE, and (2) many, if not most, who do play EVE don't play it "for fun".

How did I reach this conclusion? The goons formed too late to save the first one which leads me to believe they could drop the ball sometime in the future. Lemmings had war with RVB at the time and Marmites didn't.

We destroyed a poco (it got replaced) you guys eventually formed up (we watched... it took ages) and lost some ships due to not knowing hisec mechanics. We considered our first op success and went on to do other stuff (I went to bed )

On RVB it's my perception they have many pocos, goons have less, they like the hisec fights goons don't, they could thus take all POCOs for themselves now and get rid of the goon stigma (<- associating with goons is frowned upon in hisec, the place where RVB resides most)

do I think our goal is achievable with the current leadership and strategic planning?
If I say yes, will you believe me? There isn't one leader and there are many different plans adapted to ever changing situations.
So a conditional yes is all I can give at this point in time.

I didn't say our supposed lack of impact had anything to do with lemmings. We killed a poco which is what we came for since we thought it would be a shame to let all those reinforced pocos just rep up (Lemmings couldn't come with RVB being purple blob next door). We don't care much for structure shoots.

The op was a success. We could have done it much faster but we were waiting to see what you would bring... In the end, nothing, so we brought some more nados and popped it. The guys that were in fleet were all euro timezone, you can check that it was waaaay passed our bedtime. No bull there.

RVB has more to fear from other Hisec entities than it has from people who are famously allergic to everything hisec. You of all people should also know the power of propaganda. and yes, they have a minor win-win situation with goons but they jumped in that boat too fast if you ask me, they could have had much more win and goons could have had nothing (in hisec that is)

As far as fighting the largest groups goes, gues we aren't as risk-averse or killboardstat fixated as you think huh, bring it

TEST scammed the crap out of him, after he said he would equal any donation. Cue lots of TEST people recycling alliance money through the donations system and letting him double it for free.

I don't know you, Lucas, so I have no idea how much you had to start with. But as often as you post, you can't really afford to run a deficit!

It's a shame that he hasn't stuck to what he was good at...

Danalee, I promised you I would find that gevlon quote. From http://greedygoblin.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/preventing-all-corp-thefts.html :


"I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand "I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!" or "I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!" "I am homeless, the Government must house me!" and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations."
Rest in peace, Margaret Thatcher

Manny moons, that's actually spoken as a true RVB player, **** politics and enjoy yourself with some PVP... Wait, you are in Lemmings Even better, they don't lie about their "mission" than.

Apparently "real" PvP is a rarity in EVE. When I was a ganker, I was told ganking was not PvP. Now I learn that fights on gates and stations are not PvP. When I watch streams of nullsec battles at 10% TiDi, they don't seem much like PvP to me. Off-grid-boosters. Blops. Neutral reps. Awoxes & safaris. Shooting structures. Shooting blues. Shooting newbies. ECM. Market PvP. Why is everyone doing stuff that doesn't qualify as "real" PvP? Someday I hope to learn what real PvP is like, but until then I guess I'll dabble with all the other things that seem to be so popular.

Since you seem to be knowledgeable on the subject, exactly how far from a station or gate does PvP transition from "not real" to "real"?

And how much less boring is it to sit waiting right beside someone who is sitting and waiting?

If I am to "fight" war targets in highsec, where else would I look for them? I can't engage them inside stations, nor in warp between stations and gates. That primarily leaves the station docks and the gates. I'm assuming they generally won't be mining or missioning while at war, and won't usually be hanging around pocos except when timers force them to show up en masse. Assuming they don't want to "duel at the sun," in which case a war dec would have been unnecessary, where would you expect "fights" to happen? And as far as camping goes, the likelihood of meeting war targets at a gate or station is somewhat small unless one or the other of us is lingering there.

So please, educate me, if you have the time. Take a break from your gig as critic and show me a better way.

Clearly you know an awful lot about me. Not exactly the answers I hoped for, but as my Dad used to say to his bankers, "You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip."